Is Day Game becoming Over-saturated?

I was browsing around Roosh’s forums the other day, and happened upon a thread in regards to day game. Day game, as most of you are probably aware, is a type of game that emphasizes approaching women during the day. The skillset you need to be successful at daygame is somewhat different than that of night game, and it’s become more and more popular over the last few years because of traditional failings related to night game.

However, this topic wasn’t exactly roses. The OP complained that over the past few years he noticed several people getting into daygame, eventually leading to what is essentially a flood of people putting out very poor day game. He’s concerned that this sort of thing is conditioning women to day game, making it much harder to pull girls you’d normally have no trouble pulling. Some men jumped to agree with him, having seen similar things in other areas, while others were less in agreement.

So is Oversaturation in Day game a problem, or could it become a problem?

Yes, in some areas day game will or is becoming oversaturated and overall less effective.

But how is this a problem, and what exactly is causing it? Is it just betas trying to break out of their betaness that’s causing day game to start to lose some of its edge in some areas, or are other things contributing?

Well first, let’s get this out of the way: This isn’t unprecedented at all in the history of game. In fact, just a few years back when day game was starting to get a lot more popular these very same complaints were being made about night game. People were constantly complaining that at a lot of clubs you’d easily have several dozen guys for every girl, and each and every one of them would be spitting the same (usually lackluster) game at the few girls around. Of course this just ran girls off over time, making the problem even worse. So Daygame was thought to be a savior, a sort of way out of that for guys with those problems.

Now that a few years have passed, every guy has gotten the clue that night game just isn’t what it used to be in a lot of places, and that a healthy injection of daygame is needed to spruce up their notch count. As a result the same sorts of things are starting to hit day game that hit night game.

To understand how much of a problem this is, you need a decent understanding of why day game can be really effective. The initial idea behind it when comparing it to night game is how much a man sticks out when he’s the only one to approach a girl during the day. 98% of guys are scared to death of approaching a girl out of the blue when the sun’s out, so when a guy walks up to and talks to a chick on the street corner or in the coffee shop, it would likely be the only real approach that had been made towards her during the day in a long, long time. That immediately scores a lot of points in the guy’s favor, and through a good opener he’d be well on his way to making a good impression and eventually scoring a lay.

Now take that same situation and throw 30 guys who are super direct daygamers onto the same street as you. Now do you see the problem? In areas with a heavy population of (bad) day gamers, you’ll easily be guy number 6 or 7 that day rather than guy number 1 that week. Not to mention the bad lines being thrown at her are liable to put her in a bad mood by the time you get to her, especially if she was just approached. A girl who wouldn’t ordinarily blow you off even on a bad day would happily do it then. You could be the most confident guy on the corner and still be at a massive disadvantage simply because they’re in a bad mood.

But that’s not the only thing that could be ruining your chances. Over the past few years we’ve seen the rise in a new way of ‘approaching’ girls. The rise of dating apps like Tinder where the game is extremely weighted in the girl’s favor signaled a big change in the dating market as we knew it, and not in a good way. Tinder suffers the same problem that Facebook and basically every other social media platform has: beta males flock to decent looking girls and flood them with attention, boosting the fuck out of their egos and making them insufferable and anti social on a good day. But Tinder takes it one step further. On facebook you had thousands of guys ready to give you attention. It was pretty obvious what they wanted, but becvause it was Facebook most of them would be very passive and not try and score a date or notch with the girl. It just wasn’t considered the right place to do it. Tinder on the other hand has 1000s of guys ready to take a girl out on a date and fuck her at a moment’s notice. This immediately boosted flake rates exponentially, and is starting to affect women in day to day conversation. They’re a lot less open to subtle or not so subtle flirting after their Tinder fix, even though 99 times out of 100 you’re an easy step up gamewise from guy number 2000 on tinder. Sure, he’s not going to get any himself, but when the girl has been flirted with 6 times in an hour on Tinder she won’t be as open to flirting outside of it. Over time it may completely close her off to interaction with unknown men in real life at all. It has less of an effect in the short term than 6 day game approaches in an hour, and you’ll have a much greater chance than any of those tinder guys ever will, but nothing is more annoying than being ignored while a girl flips through Tinder or blown off on a Friday night because she has a million ”’options”’.

So with all that being said, is day game really dying? It’s not really as bad as I’ve made it out to be. A big part of dealing with this is location. there are plenty of areas without shitty day gamers roaming the streets, and plenty of avenues left untested for game. In a lot of areas and small or medium universities you just won’t have to concern yourself with it at all. And Tinder and others like it are also an avenue themselves, though I’d refrain from using them exclusively. they’re good supplements to be tacked on after a few daylight approaches. Just expect a fair share of annoying and egotistical cunts in your inbox.

Where will game go after this? Will a new big avenue open up for men to exploit? Will day game settle down within the next few years? It will be really interesting to see how the game transforms over time. If you can be a pioneer in that transformation you’ll find yourself with notch numbers you’d only dreamed of.

Is Day Game becoming Over-saturated?

It’s Time for Trump to Strike, Hard

It’s no secret that Trump’s campaign has been a bit of an anomaly from the start. He’s known, for better or worse, as a brash talker and a man who says what’s on his mind. While this has appealed to quite a lot of people who feel the need for someone with a strong, right wing stance to take the fore, it has caused the media and public attention to be centered upon him for most of the election. While in many ways this was what ultimately let him pull ahead in the primaries and nab the nomination, It’s no secret that his lack of favorability has negatively affected his campaign in some ways. The most damaging is that it has caused him to scale himself back a bit in the past few months which, though that has created many benefits, has threatened to somewhat alienate him from his core. It also hasn’t done as much as it could to court new voters (though he’s done a lot more than most republican candidates could ever dream to), mainly because of the MSM’s penchant for spinning everything he does badly, some even going so far as to condemn him for stopping in Louisiana to help out during the flood, while seemingly giving Obama and Hillary a pass for mostly ignoring it. trump’s never been truly put on the defense, his power in controlling the frame has protected him from even the mightiest of attacks, but it’s been close for a while now, and the media persona of him is getting it9o people’s heads.

However, this media blockade on Trump has recently seen a bit of a breach. People aren’t talking about Trump as much this weekend. Why? Hillary Clinton’s health problems have been confirmed. Her collapse on the side of the road after leaving a 9/11 memorial has brought her declining health the attention it truly deserves (after, of course, weeks of the media telling us we were all crazy conspirators for believing she did have health problems). It’s not so much the actual fact that Hillary is sick as is the fact that people are actually talking about it. Where her emails and other scandals had failed to make enough of a blow into her credibility, it seems her health problems will. Rumors are flying around that Hillary is dying, and that the Democrats will replace Hillary soon, among many others.

So what does this mean? It means it’s time for Trump and Republican outlets to strike back. Hard.

We have the attention of the fence sitters and even much of the left wing now. They’re concerned about their party and about what their side has been telling them. They’ll be more open to seeing our side now that we’ve been proven right in such a major area. They’re already filled to the brim with doubt, and it’s up to us to confirm these doubts and fill their heads with the truth. Sure, many of them will stay true to their side to the very end, that’s just the nature of politics, but we’d be fools to not take advantage of such a major opening. Even those who cannot be converted to our side may be persuaded against voting or turn to a 3rd party as holes start and continue to open up in the democrat’s defense. Maybe Hillary really is dying, or maybe it is a temporary spat with a disease, but one thing is for sure: After this breach of trust and explosion of rumors, if Hillary isn’t the next to keel over, her campaign will be.

It’s Time for Trump to Strike, Hard

All Girls Are the Same

It always seems like no matter what friend group I jump into there’s always at least one guy who just doesn’t seem to ‘get it’ when it comes to game. It doesn’t matter if they’re tall, handsome, loaded, ripped, or anything else; they just can’t seem to get anyone in bed with them. Whether it be for lack of trying or just an absolute obtuseness to anything even semi-related to flirting, these poor guys are always the ones throwing out excuse after excuse every time rejection comes their way. The ones who won’t even approach are the worst about this, because they build themselves up inside a bubble that makes them think girls are into them and-because they won’t even approach-they never technically have any proof to the contrary.

These poor betas always have excuses to throw up the moment you try and point out ways they can improve. They either immediately start to attack you, or throw out lie after lie and phrase after phrase to try to convince themselves that what they’re doing (or not doing) is totally fine. No matter what approach I take to try and help them out, there’s one common phrase most of them love to fall back on: “All girls are the same”. To his mind this is a phrase that satisfies his need to convince himself not to go after girls: if they’re all the same then why bother pursuing them? It also satisfies the other caveat: a good reason for his constant rejection. “If all girls are the same then it makes sense I can’t get a single one because they’re all disposed to hate me and go after Chad Thundercock instead, right?”

The funny thing about this phrase is that, he’s not wrong… to a point.

People who have been in the game for a while have recognized that there are many common themes to the actions you have to take to turn girls on. While the shy girl over in the corner may not be the exact same as the girl sitting in the middle of the room with her tits out, picking up both of them will require common elements like confidence. Both of them will probably throw some shit tests your way and require a similar grand strategy to get into bed. But the approaches you’d want to make to each of these girls would likely be markedly different. For example, You could have a pretty heavyhanded go at the slut in the center, but if you wanted to go after the shy girl instead, you’d need to lighten your touch if you don’t want to scare her off.

But let’s take the statement a bit further. What if every single girl was attracted by the same thing as every other girl? Imagine if the same act was enough to get every girl into bed, whether she was the sluttiest girl in a hundred mile radius or the most prudish church girl you’ve ever met. Surely the beta’s claim would have weight then, right?

Well no, in fact it’d make him look even worse. If every girl was seduced by the exact same things, and turned off by the exact same things, then everyone who figured out how the game worked would have a 100% success rate. Then he’d have no excuse at all. If it was predetermined what would work on every girl and what wouldn’t his failures would be even more laughable.

This excuse and most others really show a lack of effort on the betas part: if he can’t even approach enough girls to dispel the very basic lies and half truths he throws out, then there’s really nothing you can do for him. Men grow through adversity, and if he’s not willing to seek out adversity and rejection to get stronger then he’ll be left in the dust. Don’t waste time with men like these, there’s nothing you can do to change them.


All Girls Are the Same